July's Agenda - Full Council

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Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 Evening Local politics fans It's the last chance for us to dig into council business before everyone starts to pack up and go on holiday So um

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 yes we have AAA packed agenda of um all things good that are coming to the council chamber this Tuesday for us to give you the

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 almost like the the match of the day highlights before the uh before the match even kicks off So um how are you Simon

Simon Sansbury:

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 Hey Yeah I'm I'm doing fine Thanks Um Ian it's um

Simon Sansbury:

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 we've got the kind of the end in sight as you say for the for the summer But um

Simon Sansbury:

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 yeah I'm I'm doing OK If anybody can hear any kind of motoring noises in the background I don't think you can Um but that will be because some people seem to think that we live in Brown's hatch

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 Yes yes Unfortunately the entire ham Drayton side of the hill kind of has become over the last few weeks has become a regular race track for motorcyclists Um and despite multiple angry posts by neighbours and local councillors expressing their concern

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 Um it would seem despite the fact that they gather at the appropriate time you know OK everybody see you at six o'clock where we're going to drive irresponsibly At the moment the police seem somewhat powerless to intervene And uh yeah we've spent our summer has been uh it is being played out to the uh background of racing motorbike noises Which um

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 yeah I don't think he's making either of us particularly warm and fuzzy Is it Simon

Simon Sansbury:

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 No no um I just hope that everybody keeps safe Um because um it sounds like they're not really driving that safely to be honest but there we go anyway Moving

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 on Indeed So this episode one more episode we've got an absolute blockbuster next week haven't we We have the man himself Steve Pitt is coming to join us for a a uh an insight into life as council leader But before then

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 what's on the agenda for this week's council

Simon Sansbury:

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 Um yeah So um so the agenda um for um for the full council on the 18th Um there's some things that that we um that we wanted to talk through our normal thing is going through the notices A motion which is where um the various groups on the council have um have submitted uh things for the for the council to discuss Um So um funny enough the first one which is um Item 10 a

Simon Sansbury:

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 On there is um neighbourhood policing matters which has been put forward by Councillor Lee Hunt and Councillor Darren Sanders from the From the Lib Dems

Simon Sansbury:

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 Um so um good grief that can't possibly be relevant Um So um yeah So essentially this this motion talks about um about how the Hampshire and Isle of White Constabulary Constabulary serving Portsmouth is disadvantaged by uh by the current funding formula Um and is the claim there is that it's underfunded to the tune of nearly £42 million compared to the national average Um that the Hampshire and Isle of White Police Federation um have commented that um

Simon Sansbury:

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 Hampshire is white is underfunded um to to that amount And um stating that its members say that morale is low Um

Simon Sansbury:

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 so the the motion is is calling on

Simon Sansbury:

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 um also for um notes that it's It's regretful that um successive police and crime commissioners have closed police count counters across Portsmouth in including the one in ones in South Sea North End um and city Central And now the only publicly accessible counter is um is on the airport industrial estate to which you have to have a car or or bicycle You have to have your own transport to get to because it's not served by

Simon Sansbury:

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 by any public transport Um that the police and Crime Commissioner precepts in recent years in um in 2021 and it was 7.1% And in uh in recently it was 6.34% Um noting that the council um concerns that despite ongoing

Simon Sansbury:

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 police precept increases at police and public meetings across Portsmouth residents describe how um and I'm quoting nothing seems to have changed Um how they are kept waiting on 101 which is um indeed something that was mentioned when we went along to a local police and Crime commissioner meeting um in um in in in um on the state where um where um Police and Crime Commission for White Donna Jones was was present and a couple of weeks late after that we had

Simon Sansbury:

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 um her deputy Terry Norton onto the show to talk about that um cites about um

Simon Sansbury:

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 um there being some good stuff which is about the investigation into high harm county lines crimes citywide safeguarding cameras um and the creation of a permanent post within the current budget of a specialised antisocial behaviour Officer Um but fundamentally it's saying antisocial behaviour across the city is overwhelming our local neighbourhood policing team policing teams

Simon Sansbury:

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 And therefore the Council invites the the police and Crime Commissioner and the chief Constable to a future meeting at the council to inform the Council about the current state of recruitment and retention for police staff and P CSOs and specifically how many extra police each part of the city is going to be getting how neighbourhood policing is going to be involved This should be through the extra neighbourhood neighbourhood policing officers and that should

Simon Sansbury:

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 be reflecting people's priorities How 101 is going to be improved um and how they will open accessible um police public contact counters in the accessible locations in the north and the south of the city So essentially saying Hey anti antisocial behaviour is a thing There have been some things that are a bit better but the money that you've asked for that's a share of the council tax payments or the Total Council Tax Council tax bill has gone up

Simon Sansbury:

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 What's happening with that is essentially kind of what this motion is saying Yeah and

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 it's It's one of It's one of those interesting motions isn't it Where you know we call upon the council to change something that's outside of the council's control But I think there there there are There are some nuances and subtleties to this and and it it it it feels a little bit of a machine gun approach to sort of you know there's this and there's that and there's

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 so I mean I I struggle a little bit with the well they closed down the police stations Well you know ultimately

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 uh the the the reason for that will be funding and will be a case of you know Well you know yourself If you've got small teams dotted all about the the island you know those premises have to be kept open They have to be staffed They have to be heated lit and obviously there is now the major centre in airport service Road that was referenced It's just a more efficient way to police the city Um you know they

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 they they kind of it It all feels a bit 19 seventies that the you know there should be a desk that you can go and talk to somebody Well I I get that when you had to go to the call box at the end of the road with your 10 P pieces to call someone but

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 really is that is that really a thing I'm not sure that it is but the antisocial behaviour thing if I just changed tack very quickly You know that came up in all of the hustings this year didn't it And and appeared to be a hot topic with every counsellor and every prospective counsellor that we spoke with Um but I'm not sure that II I It feels like the answer you know because I think we asked a few questions Didn't we about is it enforcement or education

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 Um and I I felt like the vast majority of those folk

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 weren't weren't looking for strict enforcement

Simon Sansbury:

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 Um well I mean I I think antisocial behaviour is a I mean that you can you can probably get Take that as simplistically or as uh complex complexly or as complicated as you want Um on one side of the argument it's quite simply a um because there isn't enough of a visible police

Simon Sansbury:

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 presence and a deterrent Therefore therefore um to be honest people keep

Simon Sansbury:

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 for want of a better phrase Keep pushing their luck and they get more and more confident I could use the word confident Other people might use words like um um and more of more of a more of a nuisance So there could be that there's all from the other end of the argument There's the

Simon Sansbury:

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 OK what what alternatives are there for You know if if because not all antisocial behaviour is is from groups of young people for example are there Are there other things that that that you know that are there other social events or things that um places that they can go where they can uh where they can effectively um entertain themselves or use their use their time more effectively So I think there's kind of different things around that and some of that is about organisations Some of that some of that is about funding But I think

Simon Sansbury:

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 the thing that kept coming up from the people that from the members of the public that we that we heard from and indeed at the public meeting was it It just seems that there isn't enough happening to to be that deterrent to stop it And it feels that the police teams that we have are very very stretched They're working very very hard Um but they're fighting fires I mean not literally Obviously that's that's you know that's a different department but

Simon Sansbury:

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 But they're they're having to kind of run around trying to trying to kind of do all of these things But at the same time

Simon Sansbury:

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 we can't hark back to the times of the seventies for example where you know you'd have a you know this this kind of nostalgic memory whether it's true or not of you know there being a local Bobby that you knew the name of that was on every kind of every street corner or whatever that you know those those times have gone Um and there are other ways other much more effective ways for our for our police to um um to be exercising

Simon Sansbury:

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 their their role in society which was some of the things that that um that Terry Terry Terry Horton Terry Norton was was talking about uh when when he was on when he was on the show So there was There was a lot of that about that But

Simon Sansbury:

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 alongside that there is that fundamental frustration of when you call through to 101 because you know it's not You know it might not necessarily be a um an urgent crime or it might not be a crime in progress But you you know that intelligence of those things happening that you

Simon Sansbury:

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 there's all these ways where you can feed that information into the police you can email them You can you know go to their you know to their website or to their to their app You can email you know all all of those ways But if there's if there's no officer at the other end to interpret that information within a within a short time scale the opportunity and what that was One of the examples that was cited from um one of the local residents

Simon Sansbury:

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 on the estate wasn't it was that they observed something happening in the in um on their driveway And actually that because kind of a follow up wasn't um wasn't kind of um took up in time for that One of their neighbours actually had their had their you know had their had their car stolen So it's it's those It's those kind of I think it's those kind of things Maybe people are seeking the in person if they feel that they can't get through any other way

Simon Sansbury:

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 But there will be a lot of people that are quite happy to report digitally Um when that works

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 Yeah and I I just I mean it's a much bigger question and I think there is You know if I if I look at our current predicament that we have here with the antisocial behaviour of the bike race

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 you know the bike racers will meet every Thursday and every Saturday six o'clock at the tax office They will then race their motorbikes

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 you know along the hill from the hills he roundabout up to IBM through Paul's Grove up across the top of the hill back down through Drayton

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 and they're going to do that from six o'clock till 11 o'clock

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 they make or or later they make no secret about that There is no shame in what they're doing You know there is It is

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 you know and the police have been present

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 you know

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 But it's not a visible deterrent And I I do wonder whether you know there there is As you say there is an element of

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 you know the the police being a visible deterrent But I think that the world has moved on

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 and

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 that the I know my rights You can't touch me I don't think I'd actually matter how many Police officer you had I think societally there isn't that

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 that there is And again I'm probably going a bit deep here But I I do wonder whether you know it doesn't matter how many offices you get A If

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 you know people aren't going to respect and behave reasonably and B And I've brought this up before and I know I'm going to sound like a daily mail reader which I don't but you only have to look in the courts in the Portsmouth Evening News to find you know somebody who's robbed a dozen convenience stores and threatened the staff with pointed instruments and you know with violence And

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 they they they get a 10 week custodial sentence they'll be out in five You know there is an element of the one I was reading the week you know the the the person was caught dealing class A drugs in commercial road in 2021 He eventually was jailed for four years after they found a lot of class A drugs in his house Um and the aside at the end was

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 when he had been arrested for dealing class A drugs you know at sort of six month periodic intervals up until that trial And so I kind of you know you talk about police morale being low

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 Um you catch somebody brazenly openly dealing class A drugs You find their supply you take it off them

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 It takes two years to come to court and they get a custodial sentence But in the meantime they're making their living dealing class A drugs It must feel like like

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 trying to you know

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 it's we in the sea the ability that the police have to to to a stop this and B

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 You know they catch the criminals in the courts

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 slap them on the wrist Um

Simon Sansbury:

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 um yeah I mean that's a that's a

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 whole a whole

Simon Sansbury:

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 That's a whole other thing Um I mean like you say you know that the sentencing is is something even further out with of of the council's remit But from a point of view of what this motion does once you kind of get through all the you know obviously the the wording of how that you know how that kind of makes its case But essentially it's saying How can we have some updates on what's happening with these things

Simon Sansbury:

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 Um that um I mean that seems quite a you know I mean to be honest on the face of that that that seems quite an eminently reasonable thing What we see in the later motions though is interestingly enough the the actions that this motion is calling for doesn't set a time limit for that meeting to happen

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 So I think perfectly reasonable to ask the question How are things going

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 You know when's 101 gonna be fixed As you say You know in our deeply probing investigative journalistic way Um we discussed that with Terry Norton who accepted it It wasn't as it should be and that's many months ago So I think

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 you know for me it it's not a it's not a bad motion to ask the questions I think it does set up a few Or isn't it terribly sad that the horrible conservatives cut all the police numbers Well yes we can all do our heads head shaking at that And wouldn't it be better if But I think the the you know some of the premise that's being sort of hinted out there which is if only there were lots more police officers then all of this anti-social behaviour and Portsmouth would be a

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 nicer city to live in I I am not sure that unless you want to go a long way down an authoritarian route that um that you will see quite a societal change just by having

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 10 or 20 more

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 police officers and a little counter in cost high

Simon Sansbury:

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 strength II I think I think those I think those are quite interesting extremes to try and kind of draw together But I don't know I don't know Um so um just to remind listeners or viewers that are watching us on screen The QR code in the top left hand corner of the screen is actually the link to the agenda for uh P CCS full council meeting So if you wanna read ahead

Simon Sansbury:

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 um then you can um But also you'll see the link there for you to be able to watch the live Webcast um on Tuesday afternoon of the actual council meeting itself So um please do avail yourselves of that So the so the next Um So the next motion um is um is from um is from Councillor Graham Heaney and Councillor Charlotte Gerardo

Simon Sansbury:

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 who are um from the Labour Party from Portsmouth Um Labour Group So they're um they're calling for um the to save Portsmouth Stroke Recovery service Um so the motion talks about there being 1.2 million stroke survivors in the UK Um and how stroke can impact anyone at any age in any time And it's actually the fourth biggest killer in the UK

Simon Sansbury:

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 Portsmouth City Council has funded the Stroke recovery service delivered by the Stroke Association for 14 years and the the stroke survivors and their families have raised concerns about the planned closure of the Portsmouth Stroke Recovery Service which was announced in April this year for closure in June So there was a short temporary extension announced in May to extend it till the end of December But essentially

Simon Sansbury:

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 this uh this motion is pointing out that this service is a is a lifeline to memory Sorry it's a lifeline to many and that Portsmouth residents should receive adequate support and access to vital services after a critical illness and is calling on the council to extend its funding to the stroke recovery Service for the next five years

Simon Sansbury:

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 Um and to review its review its budgets budgets and consider the wider financial economic and social

Simon Sansbury:

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 um and well being impact of closing the service Uh that that impact that would have on local services such as mental health um social housing and adult social care Um so I guess it is there It's trying to make the case that you know if you trim this where do those people that need that help end up showing up elsewhere in the in the in the system And it's calling on the council to further investigate and fully understand

Simon Sansbury:

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 what the service provides Stroke provides stroke survivors and their families as the programme is not something that can be found in other services Um or the NHS So uh so I guess for me kind of the the kind of If this is something that really really works where where's the call to champion that it's good that we've got that as a local thing And that's been going for for this period of of time obviously that the council that the administration will

Simon Sansbury:

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 will have a response about whether that's something they can look to continue the funding of or or or deal with Um But if it's that good then shouldn't that be something that we're championing You know that someone should be writing a letter to you know someone should be called surely calling on one of our city's MP to to make that more widespread thing across the across the country and then maybe get that funded by the NHS instead of by the local council

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 Well and I think this this is one of those awful situations isn't it Simon where

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 you you've got something that is that is valuable and useful

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 but it falls in between

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 the cracks You know it It's not the NHS It's not adult social care

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 so it sort of falls to the third Sector

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 with council support And II I think this is This is a really difficult one because you know without knowing in depth what the service provides and what it costs it's very difficult to comment I I do find it

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 you know a little bit frustrating that you know council budgets were only agreed back in February

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 Um so you know I I If this was you know if closure was announced in April then for me if this was such a valuable service then

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 you know it's got to get into the budget

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 But there's an element of the the money's got to come from somewhere else

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 You know there isn't infinite money So II I kind of would have loved this

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 this motion to have you know and I'm a little bit you know like the previous one kind of arguing back to what should have might have happened But there's a bar that says Well why wasn't this raised in February

Simon Sansbury:

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 Um well that's I mean even even before February because that was the the full council budget meeting Was was then But um the conversations about about funding take you know take place in in the run up to that So um yeah it it's um it's an interesting point Um

Simon Sansbury:

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 obviously it'll be uh it'll be interesting to see what the administration's response is

Simon Sansbury:

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 I guess the the simple the again the there's always the temptation for the simplistic The simplistic thing is

Simon Sansbury:

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 there's the

Simon Sansbury:

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 This is a This is um I I'm sure a worthy valid and useful useful cause The question is

Simon Sansbury:

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 where can the you know if the if the funding for this is is budgeted to end in December where can the money be found in order to extend that So you know again that's

Simon Sansbury:

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 that would be interesting to see what the administration have to say Yeah

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

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 and I think that's what we We can't comment on this one more more than that really Simon because there's an element of you know Well if the money is now there to December effectively if everyone believes this is a good thing we've got to find the money to get it from December to April and we make sure you know all parties make sure that it is a line item on the on the budget for you know for next year So um we'll we'll see what happens with that one

Simon Sansbury:

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 Um indeed we shall We shall watch it closely Um so the So the next thing um on the agenda So uh 10 C the motion there Um from um from George Fielding and from Mary Valley Um from labour uh both from labour Um is about continuing support for Portsmouth Pride Now um in our um recent episode that we had um looking at uh looking at um the week after pride Um and we had um

Simon Sansbury:

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 we had um T on um Who was a member of the of the team organising pride One of the things that that she'd mentioned was was of course that Portsmouth Pride is one of the few uh pride events That's actually not a ring You know fenced events is not you know there's not charged so it is free to attend Um the motion here um cites that there's been a sharp increase in hate crime towards LGBT plus people in particular towards the trans community in recent years with um

Simon Sansbury:

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 with homophobic hate crimes more than doubling and with transphobic hate crimes increasing by 240% in the last 12 years But in Portsmouth from 2017 we're an estimated 500 people attended Portsmouth Pride This year we're an estimated 30,000 so certainly a very very successful event And indeed we'd commented on that

Simon Sansbury:

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 in the show Um and in South haps there are five pride events and Portsmouth Pride is the only large scale event that is um is free and unfenced So this motion is calling for the um the Cabinet to to formally commit to to making a financial contribution to Portsmouth Pride Trust as one of their four main partners So that's an interesting thing One of their four main partners Um for at least the next five years Um

Simon Sansbury:

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 so Portsmouth City Council aren't the only organisation Uh that's the source of the the the funding for the event But um is a contributor um towards it um and requesting that the Cabinet explores the possibility of including Portsmouth pride as a line item in the budget um to provide security and consistency for the port for Portsmouth LGBT Plus community

Simon Sansbury:

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 And to request that the leader of Portsmouth City Council and all group leaders write to Portsmouth Pride to trustees and volunteers to thank them volunteers to thank them for their hard working Making Portsmouth a visible destination for LGBT plus people in the South east So again this is you know

Simon Sansbury:

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 it's calling for a

Simon Sansbury:

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 you know for the for the council for the administration to make a response Um in order to make a financial commitment um but it but again But this one is slightly different in the sense that it doesn't it's not The councils are wholly funding this Obviously they're only one of one of four contributors to the event

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:26:16.719 - 00:26:34.079 

 Yeah and this is the This is a tricky one for me Simon because you know there's absolutely no doubt about how you know the pride event has grown It's very popular you know It is a large I I it it appears to be a large community event Um

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:26:34.739 - 00:26:47.099 

 but there's an element of of you know what is Portsmouth pride Is it a community event Um you know tally on the show basically phrased it as a as a protest movement

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:26:47.66 - 00:27:02.579 

 Um and for me if it's a community event then I think it it You know it It's it's fund in the way that all different community events are fund Um if it's a protest movement

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:27:03.26 - 00:27:07.359 

 I I I'm not sure that it's the role of council

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:27:08.089 - 00:27:10.869 

 to fund protest movements

Simon Sansbury:

00:27:11.349 - 00:27:12.03 

 Um

Simon Sansbury:

00:27:12.93 - 00:27:41.14 

 I mean that that's um one point of view I mean I I feel that it would be um and again obviously the administration will give their response But um I think it's important that the council does what it can to uh to provide an opportunity for people for the demonstration that Portsmouth is A can be a safe place for members of the LGBT plus community and and therefore is is encouraging

Simon Sansbury:

00:27:41.489 - 00:27:59.829 

 Um that community and that event celebration um for the you know for you know for the nature of that commitment it's a uh it's a fantastic event Um obviously very very successful Um with lots lots of people Um uh attending but you know very very large event Um and um and in that case um

Simon Sansbury:

00:28:00.459 - 00:28:15.56 

 you know personally I'd I'd like to see it continue as a free event It would be a shame that it becomes something that that has to be ticketed Um because I think that diminishes the the power that it has in bringing the community together But we'll see what we'll see What the administration will have to say Yeah

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:28:15.569 - 00:28:25.03 

 no And I think that there is an element of obviously is the exception not the norm for it to be a free event I as I say it it it is uh you know And again

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:28:25.25 - 00:28:49.229 

 don't take my sentiments as being anything other than it seems to be a very popular event again There's another little bit of me though that is doing the you know we agreed the budget from April the first we we're And by mid July we That's two motions now to add two lines to the budget That's that all the parties agreed on only you know not that many months ago

Simon Sansbury:

00:28:49.79 - 00:29:16.02 

 and that's an That's an interesting point because what what What does that kind of highlight from a perspective of how the how you know how the how the budgetary negotiation goes on between between the various groups and the council When that conversation starts What sorts of things are included in it and and is it You know are we now at the point where every year basically you're you're in a in for want of a better words a financial bun fight

Simon Sansbury:

00:29:16.4 - 00:29:31.67 

 Um in order to kind of secure an agreement for the budget for the next financial year but perhaps not necessarily kind of looking to the long term Is that is that well a demonstration of poor planning Or is that just a demonstration of

Simon Sansbury:

00:29:32.18 - 00:29:48.989 

 you You don't You know the things are so um dire financially that you don't have a chance to take a more longer term view and therefore you are ending up in a situation where you're firefighting But I would have thought it's quite logical to challenge and put it point out things that are due to

Simon Sansbury:

00:29:49.0 - 00:30:02.0 

 to end or expire or change in the current financial year that you're discussing because that's what the point of the budget debate is That's what the point is of that that whole conversation that takes place in that budget

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:30:02.39 - 00:30:12.02 

 Absolutely And and the danger for me is politicking isn't it You know and again that we we've seen that in the past And II I think it wastes time at council

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:30:12.329 - 00:30:31.319 

 You know again I got frustrated for a couple of years with Labour calling on the Lib Dem administration to pay the living wage to every you know as a minimum to every person and the Lib Dem administration explained how they couldn't do that without massively cutting services Um but that kept coming back

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:30:31.839 - 00:30:42.979 

 you know under the banner of the lib Dems don't want to pay people a living wage Um so yeah a little bit of poli tinkling perhaps Both very worthy causes in this case Um what have we got next on the list

Simon Sansbury:

00:30:43.3 - 00:30:59.38 

 So uh so next on the list uh so 10 D um is improving accessibility in Portsmouth Uh taxis for disabled people So um so another motion from Charlotte Gerard Um And uh from uh from LA

Simon Sansbury:

00:30:59.699 - 00:31:15.569 

 um So this one's talking about over one in five people in the UK are disabled That's over 14 million across the country And in Portsmouth there are nearly 17,000 people who have a disability or long term health condition

Simon Sansbury:

00:31:15.9 - 00:31:36.369 

 that limits their day to day activities a lot There's a further 23,000 people who have a disability or long term health condition that limits their day to day activities a little So that equates to 19 per cent of people in Portsmouth who have some sort of disability or long term health condition that meets the definition of a disability Under the Equalities Act 2010

Simon Sansbury:

00:31:37.29 - 00:32:02.29 

 there's a Portsmouth disability advisory group established at the end of 2022 which I'm sure you can speak of in a minute And many people who use wheelchairs or mobility scooters have spoken of their difficulties accessing transport in the city including taxis It talks about everyday journeys to work to school to see families and friends and to access essential services like healthcare

Simon Sansbury:

00:32:02.52 - 00:32:15.43 

 a fraught with uncertainty for many disabled people And although there are taxis operating in the city that can accommodate wheelchairs and drivers who are willing to assist this seems to be in a limited supply

Simon Sansbury:

00:32:16.099 - 00:32:18.369 

 Um and then not being enough especially

Simon Sansbury:

00:32:19.29 - 00:32:20.52 

 accessible taxis

Simon Sansbury:

00:32:21.31 - 00:32:23.42 

 uh during peak periods

Simon Sansbury:

00:32:24.089 - 00:32:30.859 

 Sorry Excuse me Um and um it goes on to mention that um 99% of buses for example

Simon Sansbury:

00:32:31.449 - 00:32:47.819 

 now meet the minimum um accessibility standards Um but the proportion of wheelchair accessible vehicles in the taxi fleet is 58% and 2% for private hire vehicles Um and these figures have actually been falling since 2014 Um so

Simon Sansbury:

00:32:47.979 - 00:33:14.02 

 yes So it goes on to point out about disability organisations You highlight how disabled people are disabled by society as a consequence of their impairment and a consequence is that disabled people can unnecessarily be isolated and therefore excluded So it calls on the licencing committee to commission a review into the level and availability of wheelchair accessible taxis in the city

Simon Sansbury:

00:33:14.199 - 00:33:21.89 

 Um such a review to be undertaken and reported on within this municipal year Um so that's before the before next May

Simon Sansbury:

00:33:22.42 - 00:33:50.79 

 including its policy that may limit or control the number of Hackney carriage vehicle licences issues with the aim of improving licencing policy to increase accessibility for taxis increase in accessibility in taxis for disabled people and to ask the licencing committee to explore report on how it can increase the take up of disability awareness training for taxi drivers in the city and also a group group leaders to attend meetings with members of the Disability Advisory Group

Simon Sansbury:

00:33:51.0 - 00:34:09.04 

 and also to invite the leader to invite members of the Disability advisory group to the Transport Liaison Group to improve collaboration between transport providers and disability representatives which seems eminently sensible Proposition So

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:34:09.679 - 00:34:20.31 

 So full disclosure I am a member of the Disability Advisory Group and I have been communicating with Charlotte on this motion so

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:34:20.6 - 00:34:43.189 

 it it is a It is a problem Um and it's a problem in a number of dimensions There's a lot of focus here on wheelchair accessible vehicles Um and there is a shortage Um there is also a bit of digital exclusion going on Um we effectively are a taxi duopoly in Portsmouth There's uber or aqua

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:34:43.628 - 00:35:12.429 

 Um both of them primarily now operate on a smartphone kind of computer basis rather than you picking up the phone and booking a taxi So there are a lot of issues here and I think Charlotte's tapped into to something which is a very real problem for a lot of disabled people I think there's also the dimension of you know one of the challenges of running a wheelchair accessible vehicle is if you are an owner driver they are by their very nature

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:35:12.629 - 00:35:38.8 

 larger vehicles They are more expensive to run And you know as is appropriate you can't charge disabled people more for the same journey So I think there's lots of things to explore here I think there is You know I I will take my hat off to Charlotte for bringing this one forward Um in fact I think there's so much in this one you know my hope is that in our autumn season we'll be able to

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:35:39.189 - 00:35:57.919 

 get Charlotte and perhaps a couple of my fellow DAG members on to the show and we'll we'll give this one a deep dive But I think initially um starting this this whole unpicking of of accessibility for transport in Portsmouth I think is a is a really good

Simon Sansbury:

00:35:57.929 - 00:36:04.199 

 move OK so yeah hopefully um hopefully we can We can talk um with some positive news about about that in future

Simon Sansbury:

00:36:04.399 - 00:36:11.55 

 Yes Uh but yeah I I don't think there's surely there's nothing in that one that that anybody might disagree with Really So I think it's gonna be

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:36:11.56 - 00:36:22.195 

 a no sad Sadly I was asked to go and make a deputation to council which would have been my first on Tuesday But unfortunately work commitments means that I couldn't be there but um yeah

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:36:22.205 - 00:36:32.104 

 I I'm no member Fellow member of who's a wheelchair user is going to go down and talk So uh and I I think there is uh that all of the group leaders I would hope will get fully behind

Simon Sansbury:

00:36:32.114 - 00:36:41.729 

 this Um indeed So um so um the next one is um 10 F which um

Simon Sansbury:

00:36:42.659 - 00:36:46.689 

 oh sorry 10 E Sorry I beg your pardon I've got my um I've got we've got EN

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:36:46.699 - 00:36:48.159 

 F to go have we And then

Simon Sansbury:

00:36:48.61 - 00:37:08.159 

 Yeah So um so 10 E armed forces and cost of living crisis So um put forward by and uh George Fielding from the Labour Party So um obviously with the city's um strong naval tradition there's a um a strong um active um service and of service

Simon Sansbury:

00:37:08.479 - 00:37:32.679 

 linked to linked to the city And it talks about being deeply concerning that service personnel in Portsmouth are being forced to turn to food banks And concerning that charities and regimental associations continue to have to provide cost of living grants and food vouchers to veterans and their families So it calls on the council to

Simon Sansbury:

00:37:32.81 - 00:37:42.699 

 asked the leader to write to the secretary of state for defence to release the Armed Forces Pay Review Board for 23 4 which I think actually might have been announced actually in Was it one of the

Simon Sansbury:

00:37:43.28 - 00:38:00.219 

 pay review bodies that actually was announced in the last week So since this agenda was posted I think there might have been a development on that Um but it also asks for because it talks about that being overdue But it also asks about additional basic financial support to service personnel by capping

Simon Sansbury:

00:38:00.389 - 00:38:18.209 

 food and accommodation charges for next 12 months and and asks the leader to write to Portsmouth based food banks and local forces charities to to thank them for supporting armed forces personnel and veterans So again I don't think that's going to be one that anyone's going to be spending any time disagreeing with

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:38:18.219 - 00:38:29.36 

 No I just It's one It's one which I find of course we're going to thank those in the third sector that support such work so no one you know you're not going to vote against it

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:38:29.6 - 00:38:37.85 

 But there's an element of writing to the secretary of state Uh any any motion for which that's the principal aim I I

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:38:38.6 - 00:38:51.52 

 I I struggle with it as gesture politics you know I I It's it's it's Look we're doing something I I you know again nothing Nobody's going to vote against it But

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:38:52.09 - 00:38:57.01 

 you know is it going to make a material difference I I'm not sure that it will

Simon Sansbury:

00:38:57.02 - 00:39:22.02 

 Um Well we we will see but obviously the the council doesn't decide those things but you know it's its leader sending sending a letter to the to the minister responsible Um in the in Westminster would um would um you know would hopefully carry some sort of credence and some sort of um relevance Um and some sort of um add some sort of to uh to the voices of those it seeks to help So

Simon Sansbury:

00:39:22.33 - 00:39:38.61 

 uh we hope so So 10 F unauthorised encampments So um so by Ryan Brent and Matthew Atkins from the conservative group Um So um this is calling on the council basically to um

Simon Sansbury:

00:39:39.36 - 00:39:59.669 

 to form a cross party working group with the remit of ensuring all Portsmouth City Council owned land that's at risk of unauthorised encampments is adequately protected from future incursion and calls on it to report via Cabinet back to the council within three meetings So by December council So it's again kind of

Simon Sansbury:

00:40:00.0 - 00:40:22.169 

 Most of these are I'm finding it interesting to see that that's quite a development over the last couple of years that they're being more specific about the timescales for for these things happening because otherwise they they it must be a tendency for them to to drift Um that um that it looks at the location and duration of all PC C land unauthorised encounters within the last seven years breakdown of the costs associated

Simon Sansbury:

00:40:22.399 - 00:40:51.209 

 to the council services for each event And what preventative measures have been put in place as a response to such incursions and to indulge Sorry to engage in some consultation and support conducted with residents in the locality and time frame of base So again these things are happening What's the council doing about them What record is there is there of them So I think that will be an interesting thing to have reported back and understand

Simon Sansbury:

00:40:51.61 - 00:40:58.56 

 what the size and the severity of that um of that concern is which I guess is the point of having a report

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:40:58.8 - 00:41:20.969 

 Yes And to be honest this is one where I you know when I initially read it I thought it was more gesture politics you know a bit of red meat being thrown to the uh to the the those on the right of politics Um but actually when you read it through it is it is more measured and it's you know it It is an element of you know the council officers play this

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:41:21.35 - 00:41:48.939 

 you know across the whole region play this cat and mouse game with unauthorised encampments and you know look to get them moved on And there is inevitably some clean up afterwards that the council taxpayers of Portsmouth will pick up those in the encampments obviously not paying council tax and not paying it in Portsmouth So you know there there is very much an element here of of understanding the size and scope of the issue and

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:41:49.12 - 00:41:52.0 

 and the question of could we do more to

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:41:52.52 - 00:41:58.429 

 stop the good people of Portsmouth Having to pick up these costs seem seems like a reasonable ask

Simon Sansbury:

00:41:58.439 - 00:42:18.55 

 Um yeah indeed These these all seem like reasonable things Um you know to be to be asking in that respect and asking the the cabinet to um to report back on on what its findings are um again um entirely entirely useful for for future discourse So um we'll see what what comes back from that one as a

Simon Sansbury:

00:42:18.719 - 00:42:20.689 

 as they as they come back later in the year So it

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:42:20.699 - 00:42:25.28 

 looks to me if we look at it holistically um

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:42:25.969 - 00:42:33.34 

 that we're gonna that there's going to be I can't see there being too much contentious in there To be honest um

Simon Sansbury:

00:42:33.84 - 00:42:48.05 

 no I I think um I think with some of them then there might be with some of the motions that there might be um some um some disagreement here and there Um but I think by and large um

Simon Sansbury:

00:42:48.419 - 00:43:04.229 

 yes Everybody would want to make sure that um that um that those services have their funding extended or that pride has its has its contribution fund funding extended Um there might be some that that um that disagree with that but it's um

Simon Sansbury:

00:43:04.78 - 00:43:17.86 

 I I think by and large the most of those things are um calling on the council to be doing things or looking into things and reporting back so that in that sense I don't see that that's a that's gonna take That's gonna get a lot of objection

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:43:17.87 - 00:43:24.409 

 No No So that brings us on to our last fascinating topic which isn't a notion of motion

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:43:25.04 - 00:43:28.05 

 but uh but uh how would we describe it Um

Simon Sansbury:

00:43:28.09 - 00:43:43.669 

 yeah So uh so the last one that we wanted to look at is actually item item nine rather than uh one of the notices of of motion Uh but this one is um So um there was a report um or a letter um given to uh given to cabinet

Simon Sansbury:

00:43:43.909 - 00:44:12.909 

 Um that this this point is basically um reporting back to full council to discuss um but it's um an application from um from the NHS trust at um Q a who are currently having some um having their um their a new emergency department built um asking for Portsmouth City Council to uh to effectively waive the community infrastructure levy So um just to remind viewers that's the That's the charge um to the levy that any developer

Simon Sansbury:

00:44:13.159 - 00:44:33.899 

 um has to has to pay a contribution towards um based on the the the There's all sorts of categorizations and and tables as to as to how that's worked out um has to make with any sort of development that they're making within a within basically within within a city And that usually goes to uh to the ward um in which uh that development sits

Simon Sansbury:

00:44:34.25 - 00:44:59.409 

 Um although it may not be the case that all of that actually goes to uh specifically to that ward Um but essentially um Q a are on the hook for about half a million pounds worth of um community infrastructure levy contribution because of the new emergency department And they're asking the council to waive it so that they can spend um that half a million pound contributing towards a £900,000 CT scanner that they'd like to um that they want to actually install I think

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:44:59.419 - 00:45:03.61 

 this is absolutely outrageous I am

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:45:04.199 - 00:45:16.489 

 I am spitting mad from Koshi at this one because I went away and did a little bit of digging And the new the new accident in the emergency department is a £58 million development

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:45:17.34 - 00:45:39.189 

 So the council the infrastructure levy is about 1% of the total budget and II I think the I think the behaviour of the Portsmouth NHS Trust here is is I I'm gonna go as far as disgraceful because effectively it it is It is looking Portsmouth City Council in the eyes and saying Well

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:45:39.75 - 00:45:44.969 

 you know you could take this money off of us but there wouldn't be a We need a scanner

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:45:45.659 - 00:45:55.629 

 Um I I think it's I think it's verging on moral blackmail Simon I I am I am The more I've thought about this one the more incensed I've become

Simon Sansbury:

00:45:55.639 - 00:45:59.6 

 Um I do find it difficult to deal with things when you sit on the fence so

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:45:59.629 - 00:46:14.01 

 much Yeah well you know I I you know neutrality is is often my middle name but in this case I am angry from because let's be honest the the the world in which Q a sits

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:46:14.439 - 00:46:23.159 

 is ham So Portsmouth City Council has been asked to give away the Koum and Wimmer's CIL money

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:46:23.669 - 00:46:26.149 

 Um well thanks You know

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:46:26.949 - 00:46:29.07 

 Yeah they're brilliant Cheers for that

Simon Sansbury:

00:46:29.08 - 00:46:43.879 

 Well I mean just to clarify this um this isn't this is reporting back to the council um to full council It's not asking them for uh for the decision Um and my understanding I'm not aware that the

Simon Sansbury:

00:46:44.33 - 00:47:03.659 

 um that the councillors in the in the ward concerned which are our counsellors because we both live in the ward Um so um talking about disclosure there um we're not aware of them of them being against it Um but we understand that the the administration has has written to the trust to say this This won't This can't happen again

Simon Sansbury:

00:47:04.35 - 00:47:23.209 

 Um because the hospital doesn't just serve the people of Portsmouth Um it serves people from a wider area And I guess that kind of speaks to a point that you know when we look at some of the other some of the you know when we look at um you know look at the the uh the the motion there about uh about funding the the stroke recovery service

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:47:23.53 - 00:47:32.07 

 I tell you what we we'll pay for it using the half a million pound that the Portsmouth Hospital Trust owes us Let's link the two together

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:47:32.34 - 00:47:36.04 

 give us a half a million quid and we'll spend it on the stroke recovery

Simon Sansbury:

00:47:36.05 - 00:48:00.004 

 service Well I I'm sure the stroke recovery service would would dream of of such a such a level of of funding I don't know how much their their funding is but I'm sure I'm sure it's probably not that much Um so But I I think there's a There's an element here of um actually is that Is that by planning or is that by design that um that that's not already taken into consideration Surely it can't be a surprise

Simon Sansbury:

00:48:00.014 - 00:48:23.439 

 to an organisation like an NHS trust that community infrastructure levy exists and that they would need to contribute to it I mean you could argue that that's one part of if you like national infrastructure So the NHS essentially giving money to a local council But the reverse is happening here is actually that that local council will be is is being asked to have made this decision

Simon Sansbury:

00:48:23.969 - 00:48:47.53 

 to deprive itself of that funding because the right thing for the people of Portsmouth and the people that that the hospital serves is of course that there is that there's a replacement CT scanner installed but it strikes off of how the funding model works for our local and national government that it pits priorities against each other in a competing sort of sense

Simon Sansbury:

00:48:47.86 - 00:48:56.04 

 so I I think it's I think it speaks to a to a wider malaise in um in how those how those funding models work Well I

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:48:56.05 - 00:49:14.32 

 I no I'm gonna disagree because there's an element of you know all all politics is about is about tensions isn't it And often in the four years we've been doing this it's financial tensions about what do you choose to spend your money on

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:49:14.689 - 00:49:35.55 

 And how do you choose to raise the money that you need to spend on stuff And I and so I think you're correct In that sort of wider framework there will be tensions But for me uh a A again as somebody who's who's worked on capital projects in the past and is still working on them now

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:49:35.729 - 00:49:45.909 

 if a £58 million capital build project is going to have uncertainty in it you know it it it is You are not going to three years out

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:49:46.79 - 00:50:16.649 

 have priced up the cost of nuts and bolts and screws and all of the above you you have to put a contingency on top and for me if you spent all your contingency and you haven't got the money left over from for a scanner you know they will be in different budgets The capital budget to build a building will not be the same as the capital budget to to buy more scanners And so I am just I I think the conflation of the two by Portsmouth Hospital Trust

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:50:17.179 - 00:50:21.399 

 As I say I I'm on I'm at the moral blackmail point on this

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:50:21.909 - 00:50:27.81 

 Um and I also think that our councillors have a duty of care to say no to this

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:50:28.429 - 00:50:37.37 

 because I will find it mass hypocrisy If everybody votes for this if there is a vote and waves it through

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:50:37.949 - 00:50:54.439 

 and then when we get to 10 B about the stroke recovery service if everybody starts making clucking noises and stroking their collective beards metaphorically and says Oh yeah we we'd better find more We need to find more money from that from the budget that we've already agreed

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:50:55.0 - 00:51:05.56 

 You have the bloody money Portsmouth Hospital Trust owes you the money Get them to pay the bloody bill use the money to pay for the stroke recovery service

Simon Sansbury:

00:51:05.989 - 00:51:17.32 

 Um I um I I get the point that you you're trying to make just to clarify I don't think you can actually use community infrastructure levy funding for those sorts of things It has to be very specific

Simon Sansbury:

00:51:17.629 - 00:51:38.85 

 um things And it's usually things rather than um than someone's um wages for example So you know Yeah So So so again like you Like you were saying earlier These are different line items in someone's budget So you know 11 one's about um capital expenditure And um and um investment in in uh physical resources and infrastructure

Simon Sansbury:

00:51:39.169 - 00:52:06.0 

 Um and and um the other ones are a completely different level level um or a different line item of um of your equipment expenditure So um I I do Yeah II I don't know enough about this To to understand how the hospital trust got to its point where suddenly it realised that actually Oh hang on a minute We haven't got this half a million Um I can't believe that they didn't figure that factor that into their calculations in the first place So why

Simon Sansbury:

00:52:06.679 - 00:52:24.83 

 you know Are they to be blunt Are they just chancing their arm Because this is a you know this is something that that they might be able to be able to get cut because other costs have risen during the course of the project That mean that um that's gone beyond their whatever contingency that they might have had Obviously we don't We don't have someone from the from the trust On on the show to

Simon Sansbury:

00:52:25.05 - 00:52:53.419 

 to be able to put their um their right of reply in and and to kind of respond to that So it it will be I You know I I don't think this is actually a decision item I think this is just a reporting item so I think the decision on this is done Um So um so in that respect um you know that's um But it is an interesting point I think we've taken different points about why it's interesting and how and how it's interesting Um but But for me it's um

Simon Sansbury:

00:52:53.709 - 00:53:03.659 

 you know from A From from a taxpayers' perspective taxpayers aren't necessarily as aware of to which entity they're paying their tax and what that tax is spent on Um

Simon Sansbury:

00:53:04.35 - 00:53:12.449 

 and the council is being asked in this case to effectively subsidise something that should be being paid for by national government

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:53:12.459 - 00:53:28.34 

 Oh ab absolutely And and And it is the piece sometimes II I do struggle with um in terms of you know as you say if this is just a report to say yes Sorry we gave the half a million pound back because we didn't really need it

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:53:28.909 - 00:53:33.719 

 Um I I'm gonna find it I find it very difficult then

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:53:34.29 - 00:53:46.379 

 for for people to be sucking air through their teeth But the two items that say Please can we have some more money for X and Y Um yeah and I get they're in different pots They're in different funding

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:53:46.989 - 00:53:56.87 

 Um but yeah No I'm I'm I've become increasingly unhappy with this one as the uh as the weekend's gone on Maybe it's the effect of the motorcycles

Simon Sansbury:

00:53:57.26 - 00:54:03.679 

 Um maybe so III I don't know I thought they were cars To be honest with you I didn't think I didn't think

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:54:04.989 - 00:54:07.07 

 motorcycles Christ OK

Simon Sansbury:

00:54:08.02 - 00:54:10.82 

 um well um ok um

Simon Sansbury:

00:54:11.439 - 00:54:29.51 

 so uh yeah that that kind of takes us through our whistle stop tour of of the of the agenda So we'll we'll see what happens on Tuesday We'll we'll have a We'll have We'll have an ear pasted to that to to understand Um how the how those things kind of went Um um But

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:54:29.52 - 00:54:40.219 

 um I guess that's you know as we're starting to get towards that end of term feel aren't we I think that um I think Parliament rises on Thursday They they They've seen enough

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:54:40.59 - 00:54:50.979 

 Um so they're gonna go off on their holly bobs Um and I think we we we have to wait for another full council meeting till am I right Mid September

Simon Sansbury:

00:54:51.669 - 00:54:54.889 

 Um this is where he hurriedly gets his calendar

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:54:55.04 - 00:55:05.06 

 Sorry he wasn't trying to throw you under the bus I think we can agree that we know that nothing is gonna happen in August So So uh like parliament And

Simon Sansbury:

00:55:05.919 - 00:55:08.33 

 yet the next full councils in October

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:55:09.449 - 00:55:18.28 

 But we we're gonna work harder than that aren't we So we will be taking our summer break as we do after next week's show Which is as I say is a must watch

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:55:18.62 - 00:55:31.01 

 um with Steve Pitt And uh we're then gonna take the rest of August rest of July all of August and we'll come back sometime in early September to delight you with

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:55:31.29 - 00:55:38.12 

 are insightful picking over of the bones of local and national politics

Simon Sansbury:

00:55:38.129 - 00:56:00.02 

 indeed I mean the interesting thing will be next week Obviously that happening that being after the full council meetings taking place where Steve basically schools both of us on how we've utterly misinterpreted the situation on that one So I I look forward to to us Um um to us maybe being wrong on that one And we we're we're seeing what We um We see what the outcome is and we see

Simon Sansbury:

00:56:00.32 - 00:56:02.419 

 um we'll see how that one lands

Ian ‘Tiny’ Morris:

00:56:02.679 - 00:56:08.5 

 Marvellous So you've been listening to the Pompey politics podcast I've been Ian Tiny Morris

Simon Sansbury:

00:56:08.84 - 00:56:18.53 

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Simon Sansbury:

00:56:18.739 - 00:56:39.739 

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Simon Sansbury:

00:56:46.32 - 00:56:49.34 

 Thank you for listening to this episode of the Pompe Politics podcast