Simon

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 Good evening and welcome to the Pompey politics podcast

Ian

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 I'm Ian Tiny

Simon

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 Morris And I'm Simon Sansbury

Ian

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 And welcome to the Pompey politics podcast You join us right in the middle of party conference season and uh some say there is no party like a Portsmouth Independence party So joining us today in the first of our ward reports are the uh the the Gang of three from Pauls Grove Uh welcome gentlemen

Cllr George Madgwick

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 Thank you very much Hello Ian Hello Simon

Simon

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 Hi

Simon

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 Thanks for coming back

Ian

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 You're welcome You're welcome Always happy to be here No Barbara So I think it's Chris's first time on the podcast So uh we we welcome Chris So um yeah old hands So um yeah If we could just ask you to introduce yourself to starting with George

Cllr George Madgwick

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 Hello I'm Councillor George Magic at the Paul's Grove Ward and leader of the Independence Party

Cllr Chris Dike

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 Hello I'm Councillor Chris Dike for Paul's Grove I'm

Cllr Brian Madgwick

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 Brian Madgwick I am

Cllr Brian Madgwick

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 counsellor at Paul's Grove also So

Ian

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 thank you all for joining us Um we've got a range of questions some sent in by our listeners and viewers So without further ado George if I can ask you first uh just give us an overview of Of what does a day in the life of a ward councillor for Paul's Grove look like

Cllr George Madgwick

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 Um it's quite versatile To be honest it can It can range and be different I know we're kind of getting into the topic later in relation to the kind of demographics of Paul's Grove But

Cllr George Madgwick

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 um that kind of really leads down to the the differing of days you can you can do And I think that people got to realise that when you're a counsellor for awards you're not just counsellor for awards You also have roles that kind of encompass the entire city Um so for example I'm on licencing um where I deal with licencing reviews for taxi drivers um venues across the whole city Um and you know you kind of do different bits Um so I think it's II I mean personally I find it interesting No two days are usually the same

Cllr George Madgwick

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 Um you know for example yesterday I was in a resources meeting talking about uh community funerals um and how they work And then an hour later you're in a meeting with the Chief Executive Office of New Officer the the one that just started um talking about her vision and her plan for the city Um and then you kind of then you're moving on to resident work so everything kind of uh changes Um the only kind of thing that we have consistently is we do a resident surgery every every Wednesday That's pretty much the only thing that that happens Same But then

Cllr George Madgwick

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 then again when you do the recent surgeries you're you're getting different questions different problems and and things like that which keep you on your toes So it's always always quite interesting Chris

Ian

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 from from your perspective

Cllr Chris Dike

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 Yeah I mean obviously I have to I work full time as well so

Cllr Chris Dike

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 sometimes I can't give over the time that I want to Um

Cllr Chris Dike

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 but obviously I've been with George for a while and seen

Cllr Chris Dike

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 how much effort and how much time he puts in I wish I could do that at the moment but I can't

Cllr Chris Dike

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 um Wednesdays for the uh advise Surgeries are probably my favourite days Um that's when I get to meet the people who are Paul's Grove

Cllr Chris Dike

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 Um I'm also on the board for Children family and education which I hold close to myself

Cllr Chris Dike

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 So yeah it's it's been an eye opener Let's put it that

Ian

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 way Yeah and I think we'll definitely explore some more of that later Um so Brian anything else you'd like to add there

Cllr Brian Madgwick

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 Um no I'm practically the same as the other two I'm um the scrutiny panel for Children and young people I'm also opposition spokesman for Transport And I'm uh opposition spokesman for health and well being um so they all take priority in that we have to attend those meetings I also try to do all five We do four surgeries at the Portsmouth um in Paul's grove itself But we do

Cllr Brian Madgwick

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 one once a month on Saturday Uh for those who can't get injured and maybe working as such So we do them once a month on a Saturday at COSHAM Uh community centre And I like Chris I love doing them We work well together on them Don't we Chris Love to do them

Cllr George Madgwick

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 Sorry Pauls Community Centre Paul You mean Pauls Community Centre

Cllr Brian Madgwick

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 Sorry Pauls Community Centre Yeah well yeah I could do a cot as well if you want

Cllr Brian Madgwick

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 Yeah

Cllr Brian Madgwick

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 Marston road community

Ian

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 centre Absolutely Um so marvellous It's always good to see you You

Ian

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 brilliant So you all sound very busy Um and we'll explore a few of those topics in more detail later Simon So

Simon

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 uh so Chris is the is the newbie has the has has the has the role as a councillor Been what you've expected uh

Cllr Chris Dike

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 way more than I expected Yeah I mean like I said I had some idea Um I've known George all the while who's been a counsellor

Cllr Chris Dike

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 Um and he disappears for meetings all the time and but never realised how much it actually involved Um it's not a bad thing I enjoy it every single minute of it

Cllr Chris Dike

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 Um I'd love to be a full time counsellor but unfortunately you know rent to pay bills to pay

Cllr Chris Dike

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 Um

Cllr Chris Dike

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 it it's something that at the beginning of campaigning like last year I uh tried for Charles Dickens and failed spectacularly Um

Cllr Chris Dike

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 and at the beginning of campaigning for this one I I was in two minds But after about two weeks of campaigning speaking to the people of Pauls Grove then there was no doubt absolutely no doubt And I love every minute of it Um

Simon

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 fantastic And um and and and George do you find it easier now that there's three of you in the ward

Cllr George Madgwick

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 Dramatically easier And I think that's

Cllr George Madgwick

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 I think that's just natural We we kind of I say me obviously my dad's Needless to say we me and my dad have known each other for a long time But obviously me and Chris have known each other for 78 years now as well Um so it's good to have AAA group of people that you know well and you can trust um

Cllr George Madgwick

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 and who are competent at certain things you know in in certain different roles So what we now got the ability to do is use each other's strengths Um where needed And that's really good And we can kind of divide the work up because obviously each of us have different strengths different backgrounds different experiences in

Cllr George Madgwick

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 which kind of benefit towards the role I mean if you want to obviously Chris in relation to how that's impacted I mean Chris grew up in social housing Um you know he was a single father of one you know he looked after his his boy who went into the Army and stuff and

Cllr George Madgwick

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 Chris's knowledge of that is is is brilliant So we have got people coming into the offices and experiencing like social housing issues and Chris knows the answer straight away Whereas I would have to obviously go away and find the answer and come back Chris knows the answer and knows the people to speak to But so

Cllr George Madgwick

00:07:04.88 - 00:07:30.75 

 yeah using our experiences and knowledge of the system I say My my father Councillor Brian Madgwick used to work as a carer For example that's you know So if people need kind of disability support or help he knows a lot about that So So we use our strengths really wisely and that's where it's helped That's where it's helped It's made everything a lot easier um a lot more manageable We can answer residents sometimes same day and resolve problems straight away so it's become

Cllr George Madgwick

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 a lot easier and I'll see if we can do more surgeries now Cos there's three of us you know if one can't turn up the other one can So it's It's always yeah it's It's It's always good

Ian

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 Brilliant You touched on it in your answer there George but obviously with Paul's Grove and Port Solo Um you know from from those outside of the ward it looks like a very classic wealth divide Do do the two communities bring you different problems or are there similarities in in some of the issues that they bring

Cllr George Madgwick

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 No I mean no there's no similarities whatsoever Um you know whereas in Paul's Grove you know you'll have eight people living in a two bedroom flat that's overcrowded Um with noise going on at night and so on and so forth you know in port silent their issues are speeding um and

Cllr George Madgwick

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 road bumps And you know the port silent marina um people coming out late at night the the issues are completely different I mean they're they're both important to the to the individual but the we've never had a social housing issue in port silent Let's put it that way Um you know so So they're completely different wards They're completely different

Cllr George Madgwick

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 issues I mean a lot of the issues in Paul's grove as well will be um trees um overgrown hedges Um you know things like that Whereas once again in ports I they have their own gardeners So the the trees are always fell The bushes are always tidy you know So the so the issues are completely different Um and I think it's important to to remember that no Two issue is the same And No Two issue is more important or less important because if it's important to the person and the resident it's important to us But it is different completely and utterly different I mean

Cllr George Madgwick

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 or ironically although I live in Port Silent now um only 40 people in Port Silent voted for me when I won which I always find really funny Um whereas Brian was the first well Brian actually was the first councillor in in Port Silent's voting history since the day ports ever existed to beat Tories Um it's it's and you'll probably know that the Conservatives are the only party that returned 100% of

Cllr George Madgwick

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 all votes cast in port silent at one election which is an incredible stat to have um as saying and and no one voted for me really I had about 40 votes Um whereas Brian managed to to kind of get the majority of the votes for the first time ever which was really good And Brian focuses on port silent A lot to be fair Um so maybe he wants to answer this question as

Ian

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 well Yeah So I Brian if I can throw to you how how do you see the differences between the two communities And And you obviously have made a connection with the people of port So

Cllr Brian Madgwick

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 I'll it'll explain just the reason why I concentrate more on Port Solent Um and that's simply because of spinal injuries I can't go up and down the hills so Well uh going to the north of et cetera So port son's flat I also uh look after Southampton Road et cetera Cos there is quite a few issues going on there Um but the difference

Cllr Brian Madgwick

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 The differences are the same in a way because

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:10:32.669 - 00:11:01.869 

 we had a massive problem at port silent when I first come in to being a councillor with the travellers Um but George had already been working on it when I came in We got a majority vote then and we got it sorted So we've had no travellers there at all Um and we've also had the same travelling problem traveller problem in pas grave which I'll explain later in the debate Um but the speeding in port silent we have of of

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:11:02.429 - 00:11:23.119 

 stay uh stop there for cars and people say Oh just cos it flashes up Um just because it flashes up there uh that's 30 miles or 40 miles or whatever it may be people won't do it Well they do slow down because I stood there and watched them So it is It has been effective there So um

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:11:23.9 - 00:11:39.869 

 but generally speaking we can handle all those problems whether they're Paul Grove or whether they're port silent And we're doing I think very well And the response from the people Obviously with Chris winning the votes and that last year that people do appreciate what the independents are doing for them

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:11:40.619 - 00:11:43.28 

 we we don't have an argument between the three of us

Ian

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 So Chris not yet We'll see if we can We'll see if we can start one Brian So So Chris um final word to you on this one So how do you see the two communities Um

Cllr Chris Dike

00:11:54.659 - 00:12:01.9 

 ex extremely different I mean um so isn't the kind of place that I've ever grown up in

Cllr Chris Dike

00:12:02.489 - 00:12:12.03 

 um that doesn't mean they don't have their issues Uh but as far as Pauls Grove is concerned that's That's the kind of area that I grew up in

Cllr Chris Dike

00:12:12.559 - 00:12:21.039 

 Um I don't ever remember I don't know if the other two councils there but I don't ever remember anyone from port soland coming to one of our advice Surgeries

Cllr Chris Dike

00:12:21.739 - 00:12:23.659 

 Um they tend to

Cllr Chris Dike

00:12:24.28 - 00:12:31.849 

 directly contact us or um they throw you know they have a they have ports solent resident meetings

Cllr Chris Dike

00:12:32.4 - 00:12:34.51 

 that we've all attended

Cllr Chris Dike

00:12:35.13 - 00:12:38.13 

 So Yeah the the divide is there

Cllr Chris Dike

00:12:39.01 - 00:12:41.58 

 Um it would be lying to say it wasn't

Cllr Chris Dike

00:12:42.169 - 00:12:54.469 

 but you know like George said we each have our strengths on in different areas And my strength is the housing and benefits and stuff like that And you just don't get

Cllr Chris Dike

00:12:55.0 - 00:12:56.14 

 problems like that in Porto

Ian

00:12:57.14 - 00:12:59.52 

 No Brilliant Thank you Chris Diamond

Simon

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 Ok so um so the whole the whole of the pit uh team are are very active on on social media That's that's um that's clear clear and obvious Um so sharing all of the work that they're doing uh for their wards and the residents are Do you feel that you're setting the bar unrealistically highly for for ward candidates you can't commit to

Simon

00:13:21.489 - 00:13:26.979 

 to To actually giving all of the all of their day their day to it Do you think that's a struggle

Cllr George Madgwick

00:13:27.719 - 00:13:28.049 

 Um

Cllr George Madgwick

00:13:28.84 - 00:13:47.549 

 maybe they're not giving all their day to it I mean the the the The problem is here is that that social media is a powerful source and and the issue that you have is that if you don't share what you're doing as a counsellor people assume that you're doing nothing Um and I think that is that is um a really crucial point You've got counsellors on this council

Cllr George Madgwick

00:13:47.849 - 00:14:16.159 

 Um and I'm not gonna single anybody out But you've got councillors councils at work day in day out constantly every minute of every day doing things But don't ever post about it Talk about it put it on flyers And no one knows And they think they're lazy and they're not But then on the polar opposite of that you've got counsellors that pretty much do nothing and post about it twice a week to make it look like they're doing lots of stuff So the perception is Oh they're so busy and so active and they're so good they're not They don't do anything you know So I think that

Cllr George Madgwick

00:14:16.32 - 00:14:37.08 

 you've you've gotta find this balance and I think social media is a really important part of that because it gives us the ability to directly inform people of what we're getting up to what we're doing Um how it's going and what you'll see with our social media is often or not We'll ask residents what they want from us or what they want us to do or how they want us to act And I think that's important as well At the end of the day

Cllr George Madgwick

00:14:37.51 - 00:15:04.859 

 we need to remember as councillors that we were elected by the residents to act on behalf of the residents We're not officers we don't And I had to remind an officer in council this the other day I had an officer that wasn't happy with something I said and I said to him I said at the end of the day you've got to understand I don't work for the council I don't work for your department I work for the residents so I'm here on behalf of the residents and I think that it's very important to update the residents and get their opinions on things and social media is quite simply the easiest way to do that The bar

Cllr George Madgwick

00:15:05.109 - 00:15:24.109 

 needs to be raised high because we have a duty and and I mean we are active Depends on whether it's Halsey councillors You know Councillor Russell Simpson Councillor Andy Shrub or councillor Raymond Dent Or US three We are very active on social media We are but it's a great way of reaching people and talking to people Um and I think more people should use it

Cllr Chris Dike

00:15:24.989 - 00:15:40.809 

 And I'd just like to say I mean uh as we are individuals as well But because we do work as a team People like myself and Brian who are not good on social media not good with computers and and all the rest of it So we rely on each other

Cllr Chris Dike

00:15:42.049 - 00:15:50.789 

 So one of George's strengths is social media and computers and all the rest of it So this is where we work as a team

Cllr Chris Dike

00:15:51.299 - 00:15:52.71 

 as well as individuals

Simon

00:15:53.219 - 00:15:55.289 

 Cool Thank Uh thanks Chris

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:15:55.299 - 00:15:59.14 

 Just just the one quick thing Can I just mention that

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:16:00.0 - 00:16:27.21 

 I've been accused various times of We are a party now So we're not really independents right Because we're working as a party Uh George and Chris and and the other three can back this up totally And the the honest councillors out there will also back it up I voted for something labour wanted when George and Chris haven't I voted for some conservative wanted When we are totally independent when we go into council

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:16:27.45 - 00:16:41.2 

 yes we work together and that's great That's what it should be And that's what Tories and liberals and Labour and we should all work together for the benefit of of the the the Communities But we are still independent where it comes to the voting

Simon

00:16:41.659 - 00:16:45.7 

 No that that's great You you've almost preempted the next The next question

Ian

00:16:50.13 - 00:16:54.02 

 II I love it when uh when our guests set the questions up for me So

Ian

00:16:54.19 - 00:17:11.04 

 So uh yeah so Pip Now number six on the council And obviously uh um you've been growing every year So how do you operate Um and and is that different to the the three national parties that are on the council So I'll throw that to you We we

Simon

00:17:12.079 - 00:17:12.91 

 we we know Brian's

Cllr George Madgwick

00:17:13.14 - 00:17:14.78 

 answer Yeah

Cllr George Madgwick

00:17:15.43 - 00:17:42.119 

 we know Brian's up Um yeah No I mean I I think you've got to remember it's completely different I mean you the national parties have to answer to the national policy the national framework to the most extent Um and they have a national skew and that's natural I'm not saying that's not necessarily a bad thing but that is the reality of it We don't have that um and we get the ability to work on local projects without any national influence I think

Cllr George Madgwick

00:17:42.41 - 00:18:07.199 

 that is the fundamental difference And also we don't have a whip Now sometimes in council the other parties will give a free vote and allow councils to vote with their how they want But for example on certain topics that are more contentious they they have a whip And the leaders of the parties IE Steve Simon and Charlotte will say you know this is how we're voting and even if you disagree with it you have to vote that way because that's the party whip

Cllr George Madgwick

00:18:07.4 - 00:18:31.13 

 Um and you see many many many many examples of that and I say AAA famous one that I always bring up is is improving the roads in the north of Portsmouth Um where Councillor for Zaki wanted to vote to approve the motion um and was told to sit down um by Councillor Van and Jackson um and and not support that motion through um and instead they abstained And

Cllr George Madgwick

00:18:31.599 - 00:18:42.03 

 that for example was was one of the one of the examples where where the whip was in hand We don't have that um and as as Brian said just a moment ago you know I think

Cllr George Madgwick

00:18:42.76 - 00:18:50.04 

 the part where councillors kind of had their mouth open was the first time that we had more councillors IE myself Brian and Councillor Russell Simpson

Cllr George Madgwick

00:18:50.29 - 00:19:16.41 

 And we were voting through people to sit on committees at the first meeting and myself and Brian voted for completely different people I voted to support a liberal and Brian voted to support a labour And you saw everyone's faces just kind of open up Like what this is This is a bit interesting um and and that happens very very often Um when we're when we're doing meetings we'll of often vote differently and that's the beauty of it I think that's the beauty of it Cos at the end of the day what's

Cllr George Madgwick

00:19:16.77 - 00:19:46.02 

 an issue in for example Port Silent Let's go back to the the demographics What's an issue Maybe in port Silent might not be the same issue that's in Halsey so it's very natural that residents feel differently about a topic And as I said before because we're independent we have the we have the duty to represent our residents Now if if Hills residents want us to vote one way and Pauls residents wants to vote the other way then our councillors will vote differently That's fundamentally it And I think that's the beauty of it It's it's We can represent the residents whilst at the same time

Cllr George Madgwick

00:19:46.209 - 00:19:48.28 

 working together to forward the city

Ian

00:19:50.369 - 00:19:53.969 

 So Chris your perspective did

Ian

00:19:56.68 - 00:19:59.25 

 Do you Do you feel fully

Cllr Chris Dike

00:20:00.239 - 00:20:04.569 

 well as as as the newbie and still funding

Cllr Chris Dike

00:20:05.319 - 00:20:13.75 

 Oh without a doubt without a doubt Um I have to take advice off of existing counsellors because you know I'm still learning the ropes

Cllr Chris Dike

00:20:14.42 - 00:20:21.42 

 Um so from Brian George Russell did they all give me advice

Cllr Chris Dike

00:20:22.05 - 00:20:32.319 

 But at the end of the day my decision is entirely my decision Whether I agree with everybody else or not that's that's the way we are

Ian

00:20:33.41 - 00:20:35.319 

 Perfect Thank you gentlemen

Ian

00:20:36.04 - 00:20:36.67 

 Simon

Simon

00:20:37.849 - 00:21:04.219 

 OK so um so how does Paul's Grover's award stack up on uh O on things like infrastructure investment compared to other wards How does it How does it fare Ian Ian and I both live in both live in a ward that's off of the island in one of the three wards That's off the island as is as is Paul's Grove Uh and we kind of feel a bit like the hard done by kind of ward compared to other parts of the city sometimes How do how does Paul's Grove stack up in those sorts of things

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:21:05.68 - 00:21:08.05 

 I think this is me isn't it And um

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:21:10.609 - 00:21:32.25 

 without any doubt I think Ports Grove feel left behind and you go to almost any other part of the city and you you don't have to look round far to see that we are left behind I brought this up in council and got involved heavily involved in a dispute about it But if you go down to South Sea tell me the number of bad roads you see

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:21:32.8 - 00:21:38.51 

 very few you go into Paul's Grove and there's not a decent road there There isn't one

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:21:39.41 - 00:22:04.579 

 uh Pauls Grove Residents do feel very much left behind in this and it's it's It's a shame we are battling all the time George Chris and myself um battling in council battling in our private meetings The lucky thing is now which might not be lucky for some but I'm opposition spokesman on transport and transport is a big problem

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:22:05.349 - 00:22:12.199 

 You go to Port Solent and you've got Oyster Quay which is the main area that I'm talking about Now

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:22:12.91 - 00:22:39.209 

 a lot of those residents there retired there Husband and wife live out their years et cetera but the husband dies He's a car driver They haven't got cars We have not got a bus service in port soland of any kind whatsoever And these old ladies bless their heart or sometimes old gentlemen But all the people without cars have to walk to Southampton Road which is a long way from Oyster Quay

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:22:39.41 - 00:23:08.619 

 to get the bus into either fairham or Portsmouth cos you cannot get a bus into cosham from there If you want to go to Cotham from Oyster Quay you've got what is it A mile and a half up to Allo Avenue to get a bus It is so so wrong So we're fighting there But also on the north of uh Paul grave up at the very top They got a one an hour uh one bus an hour service which for a lot of the elderly people up there is simply not enough Um

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:23:09.849 - 00:23:27.28 

 every shopping centre throughout Portsmouth will have benches along there along the shopping centres along where all the shops are We haven't got one along out of way avenue And that's something else which we will categorically will change We will get benches there Um so

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:23:27.54 - 00:23:42.869 

 yes Portsmouth re uh Paul's Grove residents have been left behind But mark my words they won't in the future we will The three of us together Now we're together We've got no conservative or li nobody fighting us The three of us together will prove how strong we can be

Simon

00:23:44.39 - 00:23:45.66 

 Ok Cool

Simon

00:23:46.67 - 00:23:50.39 

 Thank you Um did anyone wanna come on on that one or should we move on to the

Cllr George Madgwick

00:23:51.209 - 00:24:19.81 

 well I mean I ju Yeah I just very swiftly I mean I think that you know Brian is right Um the port silent Non no public transport's ridiculous There's even no taxi rank So when we say there's no public transport in port silent we mean there is no public transport in port silent Um you know it It is terrible But as I say since we since we've kind of becoming councillors look at the parks Let's look at the parks for example Um we managed to get investment to redo a couple of the parks up recently They've not been done for

Cllr George Madgwick

00:24:20.0 - 00:24:44.64 

 for decades We had no working um AM PR cameras to catch people fly tipping and graffiti and flying was a big issue We've now got three deployable cameras that we can put in different different places The youth crime around the Pauls Grove Community Centre Marsden Road We used to get graffiti smashed windows constantly day in day out all the time We got fences put up and CCTV cameras put up

Cllr George Madgwick

00:24:44.829 - 00:24:59.79 

 Um we've just approved a green and polytunnel project for one of the schools so kids can learn how to uh grow their own vegetables and fruits and things like that and that's gone to the schools Saint Michael's Church got access to a green and fund where they've built a community garden the community space

Cllr George Madgwick

00:24:59.949 - 00:25:27.5 

 You know these are all little things that's happened Um in the in the three years you know um as well as potholes Look at potholes Potholes were not being done in in Paul's Grove And we had a big big argument with cola and they ended up getting a tape measure out and showing us Precisely So we've now got residents going around with a tape measure and as soon as they got the tape measure in the pothole and it's just that millimetre over they send the pictures in We get the potholes covered Um that wasn't being done before So there is lots of things already happening and already being done

Cllr George Madgwick

00:25:28.069 - 00:25:52.199 

 But as Brian said we've got a significant amount to do because the divide is crazy Um and I'm sure you guys feel it in cosham as well I I mean I've no disrespect but I do think it's worse in Pauls Grove Maybe not in wire which just does fall under um Cotham And maybe the Isle of Wight estate still is is lacking behind But if you look at the Highbury estate and the and the centre of Cosham it's it's quite nice from a road perspective other than the parking and the traffic Um

Cllr George Madgwick

00:25:52.859 - 00:26:12.979 

 but equally I'm sure you feel it as well Where's our leisure centre up here Can you tell me a public leisure centre up here Because they they've got ones down in the south of the city and they're building that brand new brans bery and Milton One that's that's in east or wherever it is that it's on the border Um where's our free to use leisure centre or leisure park you know So there is There is still a a divide

Ian

00:26:12.989 - 00:26:21.469 

 Definitely And you touched on it in your answer there George And um you know which is historically Paul's Grove has not had the best reputation for

Ian

00:26:22.239 - 00:26:33.39 

 crime and antisocial behaviour And if I could just ask Chris to lead in on this one What What do you see as the reality on the ground there Chris Uh uh with relation to crime and a SB

Cllr Chris Dike

00:26:34.479 - 00:26:51.65 

 Yeah I mean there there's no denying the the crime and antisocial behaviour problem in Pauls Grove There's no getting around it Um which leads on to one of the things that we're gonna try and do which is get community wardens back based locally

Cllr Chris Dike

00:26:52.359 - 00:26:53.28 

 Um

Cllr Chris Dike

00:26:54.3 - 00:27:00.979 

 they they're missed And the the residents of Pauls Grove uh told us time and time again

Cllr Chris Dike

00:27:01.5 - 00:27:03.55 

 the the wardens are missed

Cllr Chris Dike

00:27:04.13 - 00:27:16.03 

 Um it it may not solve all the problems but just having a presence there like you know the idea would be to put them and to set them up in the Pauls Grove housing office

Cllr Chris Dike

00:27:17.939 - 00:27:23.93 

 and local have them interact with the residents again

Cllr Chris Dike

00:27:24.92 - 00:27:49.27 

 Um I think will help But there there is There is no denying that there there is a antisocial behaviour problem Um I grew up on the estates of London so I know I know what they're like and I know it's a tough battle but it's it's the it's the small things trying to get the community back together And I think one of the big steps of doing that

Cllr Chris Dike

00:27:49.619 - 00:27:52.449 

 is getting these community wardens back Local

Ian

00:27:52.459 - 00:28:01.619 

 Brilliant Thank you Chris So George I can just ask you that crime and a SB I Is it an improving picture in Paul's grove getting worse or staying the same Well yeah

Cllr George Madgwick

00:28:01.63 - 00:28:12.619 

 I mean I think I think Yeah I think one of the fundamental points that we should really point out is is that when we originally come in as council So before any of us got in any of them got in

Cllr George Madgwick

00:28:12.959 - 00:28:32.64 

 um Paul's Grove was either the top or second position out of all 14 wards in the city of either the highest youth crime knife violence Um antisocial behaviour serious crime So on and so forth We were always ranked number one or two always um it was always between like us and Charles Dickens Um

Cllr George Madgwick

00:28:32.959 - 00:28:45.349 

 and in recent years that's dropped dramatically The first thing that we tried to do Um certainly when I got in originally was really tackle the youth the youth crime I think that was one of the things that we kind of thought that's quite

Cllr George Madgwick

00:28:45.869 - 00:29:08.479 

 a little bit easier to tackle And and one of the things was is is there was nothing really for them to do you know and and we've got a boxing club now in Paul's Grove Um that's run by a gentleman called Paul That's brilliant And they basically they now hire out the Pauls Grove Hall exclusively the Pauls Grove Community Hall exclusively and they have kids from tots to teens go there Um and box day in day out Um

Cllr George Madgwick

00:29:08.67 - 00:29:27.89 

 and it keeps them busy You know the Pauls Grove Football Club is fantastic and they've got the youth Academy obviously and lots of lots of Pauls Grove football youth teams that play on the field It keeps them active and keeps them doing stuff and it keeps them off of being in trouble Um so one of the things that say we're we're happy with is is youth crime Um has actually gone way down I think we

Cllr George Madgwick

00:29:27.9 - 00:29:49.18 

 Last time I checked we were down like 50 odd percent in comparison to pre covid which whereas I think 11 or 12 of the wards I think it's I think it's 11 or it's either 11 or 12 of the wards have actually increased in youth reports and crimes Um whereas obviously we've decreased so that's a really nice a nice stat I it's moving in the right direction Um however

Cllr George Madgwick

00:29:49.689 - 00:30:18.469 

 as a side note to that and I think it's important that people in Paul's Grove that will be watching this will fully well know that during the summer we had a a spat of quite violent and quite nasty youth violence in the in the area Um however we managed to work with the community wardens which is what Chris is mentioning and with the police and kind of stamp it out within a week It was really sorted The police were proactive They went and spoke to the kids the parents They started patrolling the the parks where it was happening Um

Cllr George Madgwick

00:30:18.8 - 00:30:26.53 

 and it worked really well and we stamped out within a week and that was a really serious problem I mean I don't know if people saw the videos online but this was really bad Um

Cllr George Madgwick

00:30:26.75 - 00:30:56.239 

 and we managed to stamp it out But Chris is right We need community wardens on site You know community wardens don't get me wrong People in Pauls Grove assume that they have no community wardens We do We do have community wardens in Pauls Grove but they're based at the civic offices in in down in the South And that's wrong So if there's an incident or a problem or someone needs help from the community ward and they can't access them very easily um equally we had a problem Um a couple of weeks ago which people don't even know is a problem which Brian highlighted earlier And we had travellers break down a fence

Cllr George Madgwick

00:30:56.81 - 00:31:20.65 

 Um and a big fence Yeah big iron fence They broke down They took it away with them to scrap it but they broke down a big iron fence Um and instead of community wardens being able to get there in like two minutes or three minutes they they I mean don't get me wrong They got there quickly They got there in 40 45 minutes but without 40 45 minutes When it's in relation to a response time it's a long time It's It's a long time for an immediate response Um

Cllr George Madgwick

00:31:20.939 - 00:31:48.589 

 you know And don't get me wrong They did a brilliant job We secured the site Um myself and Chris drove there My my father Brian was on the phone with Colette which is one of the leads and he was on the phone to Steve Pitt Susie Haunter was involved and we managed to secure the site instantly Quickly No problem So no one even knew we had a problem with travellers No No one in the public knew that because as a collective between councillors and wardens and think we sorted it Um but community wardens would help the situation dramatically

Ian

00:31:48.78 - 00:31:54.729 

 I think Brian I'll offer you the final word on on Crime and a SB and Palls Grove How do you see it

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:31:54.88 - 00:32:14.729 

 I don't see much of it to be truthful compared with what it was a few years ago Um there is that area at the bottom of Marston Road Um and also round by the football pitch F Uh a year or so ago with the dugouts which have been broken down and they was using them as little drug dens and things like that But

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:32:15.569 - 00:32:41.719 

 uh also the racecourse Lane which is uh very scruffy Very dirty No bins in there which we we gotta try and get sorted but they tend to hang around down at the bottom of Marsden Road And I think that's where the crime uh sort of generates from and it might sort of spread out into Allo Way Avenue or other places from there So I think that's an area that we gotta keep eye on Uh as much as we can Um

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:32:42.06 - 00:33:00.03 

 but apart from that I I think as George just said we've improved at no end and we'll continue to to crack on with it So yeah I'm reasonably happy with the results We got brilliant Thank you We'll never We'll never stamp it out altogether There's no way But we're happy with what we're doing And the results that the Pauls Grove people have given

Ian

00:33:00.04 - 00:33:03.04 

 us Brilliant Thank you Brian Simon OK

Simon

00:33:03.05 - 00:33:04.869 

 so um

Simon

00:33:05.479 - 00:33:12.65 

 I guess the N the the next thing is that I'm asking you to kind of think of what is the what is the thing That's

Simon

00:33:13.189 - 00:33:18.53 

 the change or achievement that you're most proud of As as your as your time of counsel Obviously Um

Simon

00:33:19.13 - 00:33:27.77 

 George Brian you've had um you've had more more time than than Chris Um So um if I can If I can go to George first um

Simon

00:33:28.829 - 00:33:32.81 

 What's um what's your What's your greatest achievement over over the time Do you

Cllr George Madgwick

00:33:32.819 - 00:33:49.27 

 know what I think I think that it would be very easy for me to roll off an answer with a cuff Like you know we got security cameras set up in port silent that that they were trying to get for 10 years and we managed to get the speed cameras sorted Um we could roll off I could roll off different things But I think Do you know what

Cllr George Madgwick

00:33:50.199 - 00:33:53.39 

 I think The thing that I'm most proud of achievement is is

Cllr George Madgwick

00:33:54.91 - 00:34:23.178 

 getting people out to vote And I know that sounds really strange Um however it's so important Democracy is so important and the right to vote is so important because a lot of societies in the world don't have that luxury And you guys will know only too well that Paul's Grove used to have one of the lowest turnouts in the city Um I think uh And please don't quote me on this You guys will know better than me but I think that a lot of the times before our inclusion within politics that we're always

Cllr George Madgwick

00:34:23.648 - 00:34:52.06 

 you know south of the 20% area Um you know Nineteens eighteens percents and stuff like that And I think that I think you know certainly the year I stood was a was a a record turnout outside of a general election um which was really nice And and there's a lot of people now in Pauls grave A lot of people that are really involved in politics now whether that means from a national scale or a local scale We have a lot of people now that never voted before never cared about politics before

Cllr George Madgwick

00:34:52.07 - 00:35:20.8 

 now getting involved and coming to meetings and come to speak and and giving us their ideas and their you know what they think would be good for the area And and and they're more interactive I mean people never one of the famous questions I always used to ask people at the door right Cos as a little independent with no party I used to knock on the door and obviously people are like Why would we vote for you You won't win things like that The question I always used to leave with was I'll step away from this door If you can tell me the name of all your three councillors tell me the name of all three councillors

Cllr George Madgwick

00:35:21.159 - 00:35:42.149 

 and honestly in Paul's Grove I don't know what it's like In other words in Paul's Grove 95% 98% nobody could name all three I can't even remember one person that did name all three Actually uh some people went Oh Councillor John ferret or Councillor Hooper You know people knew one maybe but no one knew all three And I would say at least 60 70% didn't know the name of any of them And

Cllr George Madgwick

00:35:42.689 - 00:36:05.58 

 that I think is my biggest achievement is is the most proud achievement is that people know us now People know our names they know how to reach us They know how to contact us They know we're available They know And that I think is incredibly incredibly important because it means the residents are represented now um and they feel they've got someone they can go to And they know what they're what they they can come to us to talk about And I think that's the biggest achievement that I

Simon

00:36:06.409 - 00:36:09.179 

 OK thanks Um Brian

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:36:09.479 - 00:36:33.11 

 Um yeah Young George has stole my thunder a little bit but the thing I've been most proud of in 18 months is a couple of weeks ago I got a phone call at quarter to four The gates had been taken down by the travellers and they were lined up wanting to go on the site They put a school bus across the entrance so they couldn't get on They phoned me

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:36:33.36 - 00:36:56.8 

 I was in at a meeting I phoned George George was in at the meeting but George said get hold of Steve Pitt I tried to phone Steve Pitt and he was abroad on holiday So we got hold of Colette Collette had already left the home by then had gone But I left a message on her answer phone and I come off with the phone and I went to send her an email And um

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:36:57.379 - 00:37:04.979 

 by the time I was typing the email out she text me back to say fully understand Brian I've got wardens on the way

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:37:05.969 - 00:37:06.62 

 When

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:37:07.129 - 00:37:09.52 

 I didn't get out of mine when George got out of

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:37:12.459 - 00:37:40.929 

 this meeting he went and picked Chris up And within an hour we had two councillors on site and the wardens were on site within an hour and a half And that's not just you to me or to Georgia to Chris but also to Collette You know give them their their their their due credit Um and she done it and and within an hour and a half we was there We solved the problem The travellers can't get there again now so I think that's my proudest achievement there

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:37:41.139 - 00:37:53.75 

 and again It's because we work together because obviously George independent me independent So I phoned George straight away because I was busy He was busy but he put me on the right track so I phoned them Then he picked up Chris and we're at So we

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:37:55.03 - 00:38:07.189 

 all were involved in it Within Well here we were what meetings we were at and what was happening Uh Steve being abroad we'd done it within an hour and a half And that is without doubt my proudest achievement since uh being in council

Simon

00:38:08.379 - 00:38:09.06 

 OK

Simon

00:38:09.61 - 00:38:20.1 

 thanks very much Brian Chris I know you've had um obviously being elected in May You've You've not had as much time But in that time what would you say Is the your proudest achievement so far

Cllr Chris Dike

00:38:20.979 - 00:38:28.35 

 Um yeah Obviously I'm I'm still learning the ropes Um I was learning all the ropes about a thing called the CIL fund

Cllr Chris Dike

00:38:28.959 - 00:38:31.79 

 Um which I knew nothing about beforehand So

Simon

00:38:32.12 - 00:38:48.649 

 listen to So for our listeners that's the community infrastructure levy fund That's the funds that developers pay into suppose that's meant to be used for to fund infrastructure expenditure in in the ward when they when they get planning permission for uh for development Sorry to interrupt your flow there mate Sorry

Cllr Chris Dike

00:38:49.929 - 00:38:57.629 

 That's um and I think one of the greatest things is we're provided a polytunnel for beus Go

Cllr Chris Dike

00:38:58.139 - 00:39:13.52 

 um plus everything that needs to go in a polytunnel so they can grow their own food Um teach the Children how to grow food and be a little bit more self sufficient in these days that that's something that everybody needs to learn

Cllr Chris Dike

00:39:14.409 - 00:39:15.949 

 But um

Cllr Chris Dike

00:39:16.459 - 00:39:24.399 

 but apart from apart from that I suppose the the greatest part and I don't wanna blow smoke up the proverbial is working with these two guys

Cllr Chris Dike

00:39:25.51 - 00:39:28.169 

 So that's the

Cllr George Madgwick

00:39:29.479 - 00:39:30.919 

 nicest thing he's ever said about

Cllr Chris Dike

00:39:31.669 - 00:39:34.03 

 nothing like that will ever happen again

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:39:34.659 - 00:39:35.59 

 That's gonna cost

Simon

00:39:35.6 - 00:40:01.04 

 me a P We we Well we Luckily for all of you we've we've recorded it So um so you're all right Um but I mean to be honest with you just just actually standing for council and putting yourself out there and actually being willing to put the time and the effort in is not something that everybody can uh is is able to do or feel or feels able to do so that that you know to be honest with you I'm I'm always

Simon

00:40:01.29 - 00:40:09.699 

 amazed at people that just put themselves out there whether they win or not At the end of the day it's there's a There's a lot that that goes into that that people don't realise it

Cllr Chris Dike

00:40:10.919 - 00:40:13.8 

 I had an amazing team

Ian

00:40:14.5 - 00:40:36.889 

 that us to our last question So again you know a lot of people don't uh don't understand what goes on behind closed doors with all the council processes and the meetings and the uh all that uh that away from the glamour the fame and the big money of being a local ward councillors So if there's one part of

Ian

00:40:37.04 - 00:40:44.53 

 the local council process that you'd you'd want you'd want to change what would that be And can I pose that first to Brian please

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:40:45.09 - 00:40:55.56 

 Um to be truthful there's not a lot It's the one thing I've learned and I certainly didn't understand in my previous 70 years Is that

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:40:56.189 - 00:41:12.09 

 when you want a pothole done over there why can't you make a phone call And tomorrow they're out doing the potholes et cetera et cetera Everything has to and I understand now has to take its time and people have to be approached and different companies or different licences

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:41:12.979 - 00:41:33.1 

 so different for all the bearings that people want You can't just do it tomorrow which is a shame And I'd like to and I always thought you could until I got in there and found out it doesn't work like that So unfortunately um would I like to change it Yes I would But can I It's impossible to change It's an impossibility Um

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:41:33.5 - 00:41:57.479 

 but it for me personally I just love being in council I love being um going out on the streets and talking to people et cetera et cetera That's not gonna change Um and that's what I'll concentrate on And it doesn't matter whether the uh the wind's blowing your garden fence down It's important to that little old lady or a little old man or whoever it is It's very very important to them And um

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:41:57.739 - 00:42:03.639 

 yeah getting that done is is is good And I like doing that sort of thing I must be truthful so I wouldn't change a lot

Ian

00:42:03.649 - 00:42:14.169 

 else Brilliant Thank Thank you Brian So Chris in the in the six or so months you've been doing it I Is there anything um that you'd want to change about the way the council runs things

Cllr Chris Dike

00:42:14.659 - 00:42:22.449 

 Um yeah I mean obviously I've spoken to George about this and it it It baffles me sometimes And it's the it's the red tape

Cllr Chris Dike

00:42:23.0 - 00:42:25.77 

 and how long it takes to do things

Cllr Chris Dike

00:42:26.62 - 00:42:29.35 

 It's It's not something I was prepared for

Cllr Chris Dike

00:42:30.31 - 00:42:36.239 

 but I'm I'm getting used to now But I understand there's processes that need to be gone through

Cllr Chris Dike

00:42:36.78 - 00:42:43.04 

 It's just as somebody who you know in my life have seen a problem and sorted a problem

Cllr Chris Dike

00:42:43.739 - 00:42:46.939 

 Um but it's not that easy as a councillor

Ian

00:42:46.949 - 00:42:52.649 

 does It hasn't given you quite the the the power you hoped it might Chris Would that be fair It's not

Cllr Chris Dike

00:42:52.739 - 00:43:06.879 

 No it's not It's nothing to do with power I I'm not I don't I'm not on a power trip at all Um it's just I would like to help you know the people who are quicker than um it sometimes allows Thank

Ian

00:43:06.889 - 00:43:12.55 

 you Chris and George I'll give you the final word on this one Something about co council

Cllr George Madgwick

00:43:13.659 - 00:43:40.149 

 Yeah I think the I mean first of all Let me pick up on what beforehand I think that you know yes Obviously there is a process we gotta go through But we forget that we make those processes So they are They are human made processes We we decide that we have to put all this red tape up and we decide about things And it is so frustrating It's one of the things I struggle with I come from a corporate background where my boss went right do this And the next day you do it Um and it's something that I'll always struggle with It's and

Cllr George Madgwick

00:43:40.86 - 00:44:00.949 

 it's difficult to get that across to the residents which obviously reflects on what Brian and Chris both said It's it's residents don't understand why things take so long and for us we can kick and scream and there's nothing we can do We're completely on the residents side always You know we're there to represent the residents so I understand that um but we just can't do it sometimes in relation to the thing I would change Um

Cllr George Madgwick

00:44:01.62 - 00:44:13.419 

 and I'm actually gonna say two things which I know is against the question But I think there are two important things to to bring up Actually um one is how finances work So for example if money is ring fenced for one topic

Cllr George Madgwick

00:44:14.06 - 00:44:35.27 

 it can't be just changed to another topic because we want it to or we don't think the money's being well spent I mean I think le let's look at we we've recently we've we've ring fenced 12.5 £1000 in total for a Muriel Project you know across a wall where they you know they've been doing it across Portsmouth all across Portsmouth the the graffiti and the wall up Now we've got that for Paul Scrub as well We held off on it because

Cllr George Madgwick

00:44:35.54 - 00:45:03.639 

 they wanted to put loads of birds and stuff on the wall which in my opinion was completely irrelevant to Paul's Grove and was gonna get graffiti So we stopped it and we said No we're not supporting it Stop Don't do it Basically um however we we are happy for you to do it Just we we need to agree on something So we've now got the ability and this hasn't actually been released yet so it's a bit of an exclusive and they'll probably slap my hand for it but we've got the ability now to um the residents are gonna be asked what they want on the wall how they want it to look They will get to decide the final design So Paul's going to decide that now

Cllr George Madgwick

00:45:04.05 - 00:45:33.899 

 Some residents have then obviously questioned Well what a waste of money you know Why is this not being spent on roads or potholes or this or that blah blah And it's simply it can't be If we turn around and say We don't want to spend that 12.5 1000 on a mural it just goes back in the pot and someone else gets it in a different ward So it's either we we get it or we don't get it There's it Doesn't then go Oh well it goes now into a pot and you can now spend on other things That's not how it works Everyone's got their budgets Every department has their budgets Every scheme has their budgets and they can't be

Cllr George Madgwick

00:45:34.27 - 00:46:02.57 

 crossed Acr You know they can't easily be moved across Um and sometimes it's impossible to move them across So that's the first thing I would change is the ability to move budgets as and where councillors and Cabinet members see fits that I think that would be a good change because I do agree that the council sometimes waste money on things that aren't important to the ward specifically And if we could move those funds to a different department then I think that would be really beneficial So that's the first thing I would change and the second thing I would change And this is more of a whimsical one

Cllr George Madgwick

00:46:02.8 - 00:46:25.824 

 It's a rubbish full council meetings where politicians decide to take swipes at each other for pantomime purposes Now I'm telling you now that Simon Boser and Gerald Dunn and Jackson you would think they hate each other within a inch mile because they continuously hammer each other nonstop when the camera's on and when the camera's off they're shaking hands and they're coming Now I'm not

Cllr George Madgwick

00:46:25.834 - 00:46:41.56 

 the best of the mates but what I'm saying is is that all councillors in that chamber Certainly not us We try to avoid it at all costs and it's something that we always don't get me wrong Sometimes they say stuff to wind us up on purpose and a few of us will have a little bite back But you will never see us

Cllr George Madgwick

00:46:41.86 - 00:46:57.429 

 S starting that pantomime stuff and and a lot of councillors don't like it But I'm sure by Ian Smile and Simon Smile we all know there's some councillors that love a bit of the pantomime drama and that's the part I would I would really get rid of And it happens nationally as well As you know in Parliament

Cllr George Madgwick

00:46:57.58 - 00:47:17.0 

 Um it's not effective It's not appropriate It's it Nothing You don't gain anything from it And literally when I'm telling you when those cameras go off almost everyone is the bestest of mates Honestly they all talk We all go to the Lord mayor's parlour We have a tea we share some snacks We have a laugh No one hates each other so I think we need to stamp try and stamp that out

Cllr George Madgwick

00:47:17.01 - 00:47:36.439 

 somehow I know they do a political point drawing but I don't think from an outsider You guys get it cos you've been in politics for a while whether commenting on it or be involved or being a members of the political party So you guys get it But I think the general resident that will view in once every now and then or kind of think they don't understand They think that there's this burning hatred um

Cllr George Madgwick

00:47:36.669 - 00:47:48.77 

 and that it's a joke And they probably think Oh what a joke These guys are blah blah blah and it's not It's not like that So that's the thing I would like to see Change is that everyone's just a bit friendly to each other on camera but I don't think that will ever happen Well

Ian

00:47:48.78 - 00:48:03.56 

 I think that's that's perfect Uh George and th thank you all for your contributions So uh um we will be following the full council meeting I think the Sunday after next is our show on that So we will We will watch very closely and make sure that uh

Ian

00:48:03.83 - 00:48:08.949 

 that uh the the Portsmouth Independence behaviour is of the highest calibre and setting the standard

Cllr George Madgwick

00:48:09.55 - 00:48:12.899 

 Chris Chris has got his maiden speech as well So he's doing his maiden

Ian

00:48:12.979 - 00:48:22.899 

 Brilliant So So Yeah No that's been brilliant So thank you everybody for your contribution You've been listening to the Pompey politics podcast I've been Ian Tiny Morris

Simon

00:48:23.379 - 00:48:24.899 

 and our guests have been

Cllr George Madgwick

00:48:25.129 - 00:48:26.6 

 Councillor George Magick and

Cllr Brian Madgwick

00:48:26.61 - 00:48:27.729 

 Councillor Brian Mad

Cllr Chris Dike

00:48:27.929 - 00:48:28.79 

 Councillor Chris Do

Simon

00:48:29.1 - 00:48:31.419 

 Perfect And I've been Simon Sansbury

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00:48:38.6 - 00:48:41.62 

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00:48:42.28 - 00:48:45.449 

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